Chelsea and Liverpool 'bids for Mario Gomez rejected'

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Chelsea and Liverpool 'bids for Mario Gomez rejected'

By Saj Chowdhury

Bayern Munich turned down offers from Chelsea and Liverpool for striker Mario Gomez during the January transfer window, the BBC has learned.

The Germany international is understood to have been the subject of a bid from the Reds early in January and the Blues nearer transfer deadline day.

Gomez, 25, who joined Bayern from Stuttgart for about £30m, is the German league's top scorer with 16 goals.
Chelsea and Liverpool told the BBC they do not comment on transfer policy.

The Stamford Bridge club added to their attack last month when they paid a British transfer-record fee of £50m to Liverpool for striker Fernando Torres.

Also on 31 January - transfer deadline day - Liverpool brought in forwards Andy Carroll and Luiz Suarez for a combined total of about £58m.

It is understood that Bayern were keen to hold on to Gomez because of a serious knee injury suffered by Ivica Olic earlier in the season, which left them with Miroslav Klose, Thomas Muller and Gomez as the only forwards available.

Gomez began his professional career with Stuttgart and his goals helped them lift the Bundesliga title in 2007.

In his first season after moving to Bayern in 2009, Gomez was an important figure as the German giants won the league and reached the Champions League final.

The forward, who is under contract until 2013, scored on his international debut against Switzerland in February 2007 and was selected for Germany's Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010 squads.

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Soctty wrote:

Chelsea and Liverpool 'bids for Mario Gomez rejected'

By Saj Chowdhury

Bayern Munich turned down offers from Chelsea and Liverpool for striker Mario Gomez during the January transfer window, the BBC has learned.

The Germany international is understood to have been the subject of a bid from the Reds early in January and the Blues nearer transfer deadline day.

Gomez, 25, who joined Bayern from Stuttgart for about £30m, is the German league's top scorer with 16 goals.
Chelsea and Liverpool told the BBC they do not comment on transfer policy.

The Stamford Bridge club added to their attack last month when they paid a British transfer-record fee of £50m to Liverpool for striker Fernando Torres.

Also on 31 January - transfer deadline day - Liverpool brought in forwards Andy Carroll and Luiz Suarez for a combined total of about £58m.

It is understood that Bayern were keen to hold on to Gomez because of a serious knee injury suffered by Ivica Olic earlier in the season, which left them with Miroslav Klose, Thomas Muller and Gomez as the only forwards available.

Gomez began his professional career with Stuttgart and his goals helped them lift the Bundesliga title in 2007.

In his first season after moving to Bayern in 2009, Gomez was an important figure as the German giants won the league and reached the Champions League final.

The forward, who is under contract until 2013, scored on his international debut against Switzerland in February 2007 and was selected for Germany's Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010 squads.

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Hi Soctty, where's the timeline that suggests this in the article??? equally how much did we offer?

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jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

Chelsea and Liverpool 'bids for Mario Gomez rejected'

By Saj Chowdhury

Bayern Munich turned down offers from Chelsea and Liverpool for striker Mario Gomez during the January transfer window, the BBC has learned.

The Germany international is understood to have been the subject of a bid from the Reds early in January and the Blues nearer transfer deadline day.

Gomez, 25, who joined Bayern from Stuttgart for about £30m, is the German league's top scorer with 16 goals.
Chelsea and Liverpool told the BBC they do not comment on transfer policy.

The Stamford Bridge club added to their attack last month when they paid a British transfer-record fee of £50m to Liverpool for striker Fernando Torres.

Also on 31 January - transfer deadline day - Liverpool brought in forwards Andy Carroll and Luiz Suarez for a combined total of about £58m.

It is understood that Bayern were keen to hold on to Gomez because of a serious knee injury suffered by Ivica Olic earlier in the season, which left them with Miroslav Klose, Thomas Muller and Gomez as the only forwards available.

Gomez began his professional career with Stuttgart and his goals helped them lift the Bundesliga title in 2007.

In his first season after moving to Bayern in 2009, Gomez was an important figure as the German giants won the league and reached the Champions League final.

The forward, who is under contract until 2013, scored on his international debut against Switzerland in February 2007 and was selected for Germany's Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010 squads.

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Hi Soctty, where's the timeline that suggests this in the article??? equally how much did we offer?

Timeline? I have put in bold that we bid in early January. Being on the BBC I would suggest that it is very reliable.

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jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Hi Soctty, where's the timeline that suggests this in the article??? equally how much did we offer?

Oh FFS

Equally.........where is the timeline that suggests this WASN'T the case JBM.

I tell ya.............your a glass half empty type you eh...........give it a rest ya boring fucker and ride this wave like the rest of us..........been a long time coming this optimism eh lad....If it's good enough for KMD.......then sure as hell it should be good enough for JBM.. Very Happy

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I find a tangled web of irony in this in that Torres was their second choice…

WooltonDave wrote:

jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Hi Soctty, where's the timeline that suggests this in the article??? equally how much did we offer?

Oh FFS

Equally.........where is the timeline that suggests this WASN'T the case JBM.

I tell ya.............your a glass half empty type you eh...........give it a rest ya boring fucker and ride this wave like the rest of us..........been a long time coming this optimism eh lad....If it's good enough for KMD.......then sure as hell it should be good enough for JBM.. Very Happy

Lick me hoop Dave [which I am certain you would enjoy, Wink

not sure I would though

]. I am just trying to establish things. We put in a bid for Suarez mid Jan that didn't meet valuation. Who is to say in early Jan are bid was just sounding out whether Bayern where prepared to allow him to go for X amount [X being an unknown quantity].

As for riding the wave [get off the fatties affraid

]... I am not a galss half full. I share the renewed optimism, but do this in a realistic nature, neither getting carried away or being negative. - I would have been happy for us to have got this lad, but I just want to know some additional facts. Bayern state early Jan, but that could just be a generalisation, a throw away remark, who knows the score on this?

So pipe down petal, I am happy with Suarez and Carroll, I keep saying so don't I.

PS - Fiveways gone down the pan. New manager is a blert. No footy on and we had some 17 year old in the pub with us early Sunday before the game and they wouldn't let him even have a diet coke unless we all bought food... What is that rubbish all about??? - Give it a wide berth mate, I know we are.

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Was in there last week after the game and before I completed my shoreleave...............

yep............gone downhill. I never thought I'd say this..........but I find myself yearning for the return of that miserable gobby ex-bizzy Wally..............Come back Wal...........all is forgiven ya blert.

p.s.........can't you tell me to fuck off in anything less than 12 lines?

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Soctty wrote:

jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

Chelsea and Liverpool 'bids for Mario Gomez rejected'

By Saj Chowdhury

Bayern Munich turned down offers from Chelsea and Liverpool for striker Mario Gomez during the January transfer window, the BBC has learned.

The Germany international is understood to have been the subject of a bid from the Reds early in January and the Blues nearer transfer deadline day.

Gomez, 25, who joined Bayern from Stuttgart for about £30m, is the German league's top scorer with 16 goals.
Chelsea and Liverpool told the BBC they do not comment on transfer policy.

The Stamford Bridge club added to their attack last month when they paid a British transfer-record fee of £50m to Liverpool for striker Fernando Torres.

Also on 31 January - transfer deadline day - Liverpool brought in forwards Andy Carroll and Luiz Suarez for a combined total of about £58m.

It is understood that Bayern were keen to hold on to Gomez because of a serious knee injury suffered by Ivica Olic earlier in the season, which left them with Miroslav Klose, Thomas Muller and Gomez as the only forwards available.

Gomez began his professional career with Stuttgart and his goals helped them lift the Bundesliga title in 2007.

In his first season after moving to Bayern in 2009, Gomez was an important figure as the German giants won the league and reached the Champions League final.

The forward, who is under contract until 2013, scored on his international debut against Switzerland in February 2007 and was selected for Germany's Euro 2008 and World Cup 2010 squads.

Seems we were on the lookout for a striker in early January - well before Torres made his intentions known. Interesting.

Hi Soctty, where's the timeline that suggests this in the article??? equally how much did we offer?

Timeline? I have put in bold that we bid in early January. Being on the BBC I would suggest that it is very reliable.

I can't remember exactly but I heard the bid was 25m euro.

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14th/15th jan we had a bid of £25m rejected

source: goal.com so wouldnt put too much faith in that site

bigpete wrote:

14th/15th jan we had a bid of £25m rejected

source: goal.com so wouldnt put too much faith in that site

I put more faith in the BBC to be reliable, and they state we had a bid rejected in early January.

Soctty wrote:

bigpete wrote:

14th/15th jan we had a bid of £25m rejected

source: goal.com so wouldnt put too much faith in that site

I put more faith in the BBC to be reliable, and they state we had a bid rejected in early January.

Think it is a generalisation on the exact date and not really requiring specifics for the statement by whoever gave it. He states we were one of 2 to approach them on the sale of this lad and we got rebuffed and didn't go back... So if it was like sounding out of Suarez, Adams and even Carroll, then one can assume that we went in with a bid around 30% or thereabouts of his actual Club's valuation... The fact we never revisited this, either meant his valuation was too steep, or we were told in no uncertain terams that this wasn't going to happen.

Could be like some mentioned in another Thread also, that even when we guaranteed the Torres sale, that we had no time to go continental and why Carroll was the only realistic option open.

See if this is examined/scrutinised further, it opens up many more possibilties and provides more questions than answers. I'd say that yes we showed interest, but again how serious where we to making it happen. If we were serious then we would have offered the money whilst Torres was still there and it would have been a lot more that 25m Euros to secure this lad, even I know this.

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jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

bigpete wrote:

14th/15th jan we had a bid of £25m rejected

source: goal.com so wouldnt put too much faith in that site

I put more faith in the BBC to be reliable, and they state we had a bid rejected in early January.

Think it is a generalisation on the exact date and not really requiring specifics for the statement by whoever gave it. He states we were one of 2 to approach them on the sale of this lad and we got rebuffed and didn't go back... So if it was like sounding out of Suarez, Adams and even Carroll, then one can assume that we went in with a bid around 30% or thereabouts of his actual Club's valuation... The fact we never revisited this, either meant his valuation was too steep, or we were told in no uncertain terams that this wasn't going to happen.

Could be like some mentioned in another Thread also, that even when we guaranteed the Torres sale, that we had no time to go continental and why Carroll was the only realistic option open.

See if this is examined/scrutinised further, it opens up many more possibilties and provides more questions than answers. I'd say that yes we showed interest, but again how serious where we to making it happen. If we were serious then we would have offered the money whilst Torres was still there and it would have been a lot more that 25m Euros to secure this lad, even I know this.

We went in with £12.7 million initially on Suarez, and got him for £22 million. We went in with £25 million for Carroll and got him for £35 million. That's substantially more than 30%. With Adam we bid more than anyone else had to start off with, and as I've stated many times we came up against a club who wanted to play funny buggers with values.

The fact we never went back in for Gomez perhaps was indicative of the answer given - not for sale at any price. So when Chelsea went back in later with an even bigger bid, they were given the same answer. It may be we turned our attention to Suarez after this rejection.

Your point on having no time when Torres was sold is hypothetic to say the least, since Carroll has been on our radar for the past year, and indeed it is speculated that Rafa wanted to bid £5 million for him before being sacked. Carroll was a target, and with the money from Torres sale we were well equipped to go and get him.

We showed interest in Gomez, we made a bid, they turned it down, we looked at other options (Suarez). Nobody has confirmed the amount we bid for Gomez so it makes no sense in the debate to be suggesting x and y amounts, and using these made up bids to bring the matter to a conclusion.

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Does it make any difference if you know the ins and outs of a gnats arse? We have Suarez, we have Carroll, we sold Babel and Torres. Nothing else matters

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Soctty wrote:

jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

bigpete wrote:

14th/15th jan we had a bid of £25m rejected

source: goal.com so wouldnt put too much faith in that site

I put more faith in the BBC to be reliable, and they state we had a bid rejected in early January.

Think it is a generalisation on the exact date and not really requiring specifics for the statement by whoever gave it. He states we were one of 2 to approach them on the sale of this lad and we got rebuffed and didn't go back... So if it was like sounding out of Suarez, Adams and even Carroll, then one can assume that we went in with a bid around 30% or thereabouts of his actual Club's valuation... The fact we never revisited this, either meant his valuation was too steep, or we were told in no uncertain terams that this wasn't going to happen.

Could be like some mentioned in another Thread also, that even when we guaranteed the Torres sale, that we had no time to go continental and why Carroll was the only realistic option open.

See if this is examined/scrutinised further, it opens up many more possibilties and provides more questions than answers. I'd say that yes we showed interest, but again how serious where we to making it happen. If we were serious then we would have offered the money whilst Torres was still there and it would have been a lot more that 25m Euros to secure this lad, even I know this.

We went in with £12.7 million initially on Suarez, and got him for £22 million. We went in with £25 million for Carroll and got him for £35 million. That's substantially more than 30%. With Adam we bid more than anyone else had to start off with, and as I've stated many times we came up against a club who wanted to play funny buggers with values.

The fact we never went back in for Gomez perhaps was indicative of the answer given - not for sale at any price. So when Chelsea went back in later with an even bigger bid, they were given the same answer. It may be we turned our attention to Suarez after this rejection.

Your point on having no time when Torres was sold is hypothetic to say the least, since Carroll has been on our radar for the past year, and indeed it is speculated that Rafa wanted to bid £5 million for him before being sacked. Carroll was a target, and with the money from Torres sale we were well equipped to go and get him.

We showed interest in Gomez, we made a bid, they turned it down, we looked at other options (Suarez). Nobody has confirmed the amount we bid for Gomez so it makes no sense in the debate to be suggesting x and y amounts, and using these made up bids to bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hi Soctty, Ajax had a higher valuation than what we got him for... I can't remember at the time if it was euros or sterling, but I seem to recall numerous press agencies mentioning a figure closer to between 30m to 35m when Ajax were commented on us being disrespectful. If we take the highest figure and assume this was sterling then £12.7m as a percentage of [possibly Ajax's valuation] £35m then it comes out at 36%... with Adams, we initially offered £4m, most sources state Blackpool's valuation was £14m, therefore this would make a percentage of 28%... when adding both sums together £16.7m against £49m this comes out at 34%... so I am just rounding as such.

As for interests [and answering the rest of the post you have made], seems when we had the Torres guarantees over his eventual transfer, then our owners seemed very determined in the transfer market, as they had this cash... Before had we made tentative offers [nowt wrong with that], but it all still appears to be retrospect to what we had in the kitty, in as much as what we could guarantee from inside the Club, as opposed to the owners spending cash in their own accounts.

This isn't as speculative as I keep stating... On one hand you [and other posters] with to demonstrate the determination of our owners in the transfer market, yet when this is flipped to equally prove the opposite way round it is only speculative... I actually think it is a stronger point and has consistently been proven by the noises coming out from JWH and how he sees the strategy on us.

As for Carroll, even JWH himself has commented that if the Chavs wanted Torres it was £15m plus what it took for us to get Carroll, but prior to ensuring this happened at no point did we go after him.

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jbarkingmad wrote:

Soctty wrote:

jbarkingmad wrote:

Think it is a generalisation on the exact date and not really requiring specifics for the statement by whoever gave it. He states we were one of 2 to approach them on the sale of this lad and we got rebuffed and didn't go back... So if it was like sounding out of Suarez, Adams and even Carroll, then one can assume that we went in with a bid around 30% or thereabouts of his actual Club's valuation... The fact we never revisited this, either meant his valuation was too steep, or we were told in no uncertain terams that this wasn't going to happen.

Could be like some mentioned in another Thread also, that even when we guaranteed the Torres sale, that we had no time to go continental and why Carroll was the only realistic option open.

See if this is examined/scrutinised further, it opens up many more possibilties and provides more questions than answers. I'd say that yes we showed interest, but again how serious where we to making it happen. If we were serious then we would have offered the money whilst Torres was still there and it would have been a lot more that 25m Euros to secure this lad, even I know this.

We went in with £12.7 million initially on Suarez, and got him for £22 million. We went in with £25 million for Carroll and got him for £35 million. That's substantially more than 30%. With Adam we bid more than anyone else had to start off with, and as I've stated many times we came up against a club who wanted to play funny buggers with values.

The fact we never went back in for Gomez perhaps was indicative of the answer given - not for sale at any price. So when Chelsea went back in later with an even bigger bid, they were given the same answer. It may be we turned our attention to Suarez after this rejection.

Your point on having no time when Torres was sold is hypothetic to say the least, since Carroll has been on our radar for the past year, and indeed it is speculated that Rafa wanted to bid £5 million for him before being sacked. Carroll was a target, and with the money from Torres sale we were well equipped to go and get him.

We showed interest in Gomez, we made a bid, they turned it down, we looked at other options (Suarez). Nobody has confirmed the amount we bid for Gomez so it makes no sense in the debate to be suggesting x and y amounts, and using these made up bids to bring the matter to a conclusion.

Hi Soctty, Ajax had a higher valuation than what we got him for... I can't remember at the time if it was euros or sterling, but I seem to recall numerous press agencies mentioning a figure closer to between 30m to 35m when Ajax were commented on us being disrespectful. If we take the highest figure and assume this was sterling then £12.7m as a percentage of [possibly Ajax's valuation] £35m then it comes out at 36%... with Adams, we initially offered £4m, most sources state Blackpool's valuation was £14m, therefore this would make a percentage of 28%... when adding both sums together £16.7m against £49m this comes out at 34%... so I am just rounding as such.

Firstly Blackpool never put a definitive valuation on Adam - even when Comolli asked, he was told "I'm not telling you." When you don't have an asking price to work from, you have to bid more than the last rejected bid. Blackpool were willing to deal with Spurs for £6.5 million according to Redknapp - that makes £4 million 61% of their asking price.
Secondly we have the words of the Ajax chief Rick van den Boog who stated that we paid a "bizarre" amount at 26.5 million euros - that seems like an amount that they had wished for. That makes our first bid around 60% of their asking price.

As for interests [and answering the rest of the post you have made], seems when we had the Torres guarantees over his eventual transfer, then our owners seemed very determined in the transfer market, as they had this cash... Before had we made tentative offers [nowt wrong with that], but it all still appears to be retrospect to what we had in the kitty, in as much as what we could guarantee from inside the Club, as opposed to the owners spending cash in their own accounts.

The owners want value for money - when we sold Torres for more than we thought we might get, they put this towards upping the Carroll fee. The Suarez transfer is unrelated, as has been stated several times. We offered lower than asking price and eventually got for a price we liked with Suarez, and with Carroll we got him for £15 million less than we sold Torres for, which was acceptable to John Henry.

This isn't as speculative as I keep stating... On one hand you [and other posters] with to demonstrate the determination of our owners in the transfer market, yet when this is flipped to equally prove the opposite way round it is only speculative... I actually think it is a stronger point and has consistently been proven by the noises coming out from JWH and how he sees the strategy on us.

Well it is speculative JBM - completely speculative. I cannot prove anything and neither can you. We have differing points of view, which is why you continue to post in disagreement with me, and I continue to post in disagreement with you. Any factual evidence would render these disagreements futile. I believe my point to be stronger, using the same method you use in stating yours is stronger - opinion.

As for Carroll, even JWH himself has commented that if the Chavs wanted Torres it was £15m plus what it took for us to get Carroll, but prior to ensuring this happened at no point did we go after him.

We were after him when Rafa was in charge apparently, for £5 million. When Rafa went, so did our determination to get him, and up went his price. He has been in our radar according to several sources.