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PostSubject: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:27 pm

I hope people realize this is amazingly serious if a meltdown happens at Fukushima power station in japan.

The Fallout will travel according to the trade winds...

80-120 rads - You have a 10% chance of vomiting and experiencing nausea for a few days.

130 -170 rads - You have a 25% chance of vomiting and contracting other symptoms.

180-220 rads - You have a 50% chance of vomiting and having other severe physical effects.

270 or more.. -330 rads - 20% chance of death in 6 weeks, or you will recover in a few months.

400-500 rads - 50% chance of death.

550-750 rads - Nausea within a few hours; no survivors.

1000 rads - immediate incapacitation and death within a week or less.

Japan has "lost control" of 4 out of 5 nuclear reactors at two facilities hit hard by the earthquake. Radioactivity outside the buildings was reported earlier at 8 times 'normal'--a six-mile radius has been evacuated. Potentially, this could be the worst nuclear accident in history.

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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Wed Mar 16, 2011 12:40 pm

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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Wed Mar 16, 2011 3:16 pm

bollocks. Japan is one of the most professional and amongst the best prepared nations for emergency situations that there is. They have the situation under control as best they can. Considering the reactor is old, the infrastructure has been smashed to bits and so it is extremely difficult to move things to and from the reactor to repair problems, they are doing well. Its also a tribute to the people of Japan that they are remaining calm much to the angst of the media outlets determined to induce widespread panic.

Nuclear reactors aren't taps you can just turn off and shut down. Its going to take time and the continued aftershocks aren't going to allow the coolant system to be repaired any time soon. I'd like to know what you think they could do different davey?

I am against nuclear power and have been all my life as a means of generating power. Anyone who's done A level physics knows all about the costs involved in building them, maintaining them, decomissioning them, and storing the throusands of tonnes of nuclear waste produced for scores of years- all making nuclear an extremely expensive option. It also presents problems when things go wrong like has happened in Japan, but lets not exaggerate what's going on here or pretend that the Japanese authorities are hiding the seriousness of the situation.
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Sat Mar 19, 2011 10:32 am

L_12 wrote:
bollocks. Japan is one of the most professional and amongst the best prepared nations for emergency situations that there is. They have the situation under control as best they can. Considering the reactor is old, the infrastructure has been smashed to bits and so it is extremely difficult to move things to and from the reactor to repair problems, they are doing well. Its also a tribute to the people of Japan that they are remaining calm much to the angst of the media outlets determined to induce widespread panic.

Nuclear reactors aren't taps you can just turn off and shut down. Its going to take time and the continued aftershocks aren't going to allow the coolant system to be repaired any time soon. I'd like to know what you think they could do different davey?

I am against nuclear power and have been all my life as a means of generating power. Anyone who's done A level physics knows all about the costs involved in building them, maintaining them, decomissioning them, and storing the throusands of tonnes of nuclear waste produced for scores of years- all making nuclear an extremely expensive option. It also presents problems when things go wrong like has happened in Japan, but lets not exaggerate what's going on here or pretend that the Japanese authorities are hiding the seriousness of the situation.



They were hiding the seriousness of the situation and you cant repair a cooling system that has been blown to shreds. Its only now that they have admitted that they are out of their depth and have called in international help. Maybe if you took your head out of your sanctimonious ass you might just see what's going on in the world. .
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Sat Mar 19, 2011 1:55 pm

daveymac wrote:
L_12 wrote:
bollocks. Japan is one of the most professional and amongst the best prepared nations for emergency situations that there is. They have the situation under control as best they can. Considering the reactor is old, the infrastructure has been smashed to bits and so it is extremely difficult to move things to and from the reactor to repair problems, they are doing well. Its also a tribute to the people of Japan that they are remaining calm much to the angst of the media outlets determined to induce widespread panic.

Nuclear reactors aren't taps you can just turn off and shut down. Its going to take time and the continued aftershocks aren't going to allow the coolant system to be repaired any time soon. I'd like to know what you think they could do different davey?

I am against nuclear power and have been all my life as a means of generating power. Anyone who's done A level physics knows all about the costs involved in building them, maintaining them, decomissioning them, and storing the throusands of tonnes of nuclear waste produced for scores of years- all making nuclear an extremely expensive option. It also presents problems when things go wrong like has happened in Japan, but lets not exaggerate what's going on here or pretend that the Japanese authorities are hiding the seriousness of the situation.



They were hiding the seriousness of the situation and you cant repair a cooling system that has been blown to shreds. Its only now that they have admitted that they are out of their depth and have called in international help. Maybe if you took your head out of your sanctimonious ass you might just see what's going on in the world. .



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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:14 pm

MyRedHeaven wrote:
daveymac wrote:
L_12 wrote:
bollocks. Japan is one of the most professional and amongst the best prepared nations for emergency situations that there is. They have the situation under control as best they can. Considering the reactor is old, the infrastructure has been smashed to bits and so it is extremely difficult to move things to and from the reactor to repair problems, they are doing well. Its also a tribute to the people of Japan that they are remaining calm much to the angst of the media outlets determined to induce widespread panic.

Nuclear reactors aren't taps you can just turn off and shut down. Its going to take time and the continued aftershocks aren't going to allow the coolant system to be repaired any time soon. I'd like to know what you think they could do different davey?

I am against nuclear power and have been all my life as a means of generating power. Anyone who's done A level physics knows all about the costs involved in building them, maintaining them, decomissioning them, and storing the throusands of tonnes of nuclear waste produced for scores of years- all making nuclear an extremely expensive option. It also presents problems when things go wrong like has happened in Japan, but lets not exaggerate what's going on here or pretend that the Japanese authorities are hiding the seriousness of the situation.



They were hiding the seriousness of the situation and you cant repair a cooling system that has been blown to shreds. Its only now that they have admitted that they are out of their depth and have called in international help. Maybe if you took your head out of your sanctimonious ass you might just see what's going on in the world. .



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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Sat Mar 19, 2011 2:18 pm

daveymac wrote:
L_12 wrote:
bollocks. Japan is one of the most professional and amongst the best prepared nations for emergency situations that there is. They have the situation under control as best they can. Considering the reactor is old, the infrastructure has been smashed to bits and so it is extremely difficult to move things to and from the reactor to repair problems, they are doing well. Its also a tribute to the people of Japan that they are remaining calm much to the angst of the media outlets determined to induce widespread panic.

Nuclear reactors aren't taps you can just turn off and shut down. Its going to take time and the continued aftershocks aren't going to allow the coolant system to be repaired any time soon. I'd like to know what you think they could do different davey?

I am against nuclear power and have been all my life as a means of generating power. Anyone who's done A level physics knows all about the costs involved in building them, maintaining them, decomissioning them, and storing the throusands of tonnes of nuclear waste produced for scores of years- all making nuclear an extremely expensive option. It also presents problems when things go wrong like has happened in Japan, but lets not exaggerate what's going on here or pretend that the Japanese authorities are hiding the seriousness of the situation.



They were hiding the seriousness of the situation and you cant repair a cooling system that has been blown to shreds. Its only now that they have admitted that they are out of their depth and have called in international help. Maybe if you took your head out of your sanctimonious ass you might just see what's going on in the world. .


Do tell us why they can't repair it mr nuclear engineer? Its essentially a pump that keeps the coolant- water- under high pressure! Are you saying you can't repair or rebuild a pump? don't be so fucking stupid.
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PostSubject: Re: WHAT YOU ARE NOT BEING TOLD. (Fukushima)   Sat Mar 19, 2011 9:32 pm

Latest on the nuclear situation. Take note divvymac.


http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2011/mar/19/japan-fukushima-50-nuclear-plant

Exhausted engineers attached a power cable to the outside of Japan's tsunami-crippled nuclear plant on Saturday. The operation raised hopes that it may be possible to restart the pumping of water into the plant's stricken reactors and cool down its overheated fuel rods before there are more fires and explosions.

"We have connected the external transmission line with the receiving point of the plant and confirmed that electricity can be supplied," said a spokesman for the plant's operator, Tokyo Electric Power.

However, officials said further cabling would have to be completed before they made an attempt to restart the water pumps at the Fukushima plant, 150 miles north of Tokyo.

It was also reported that health workers had detected radiation levels in milk and spinach from farms in Fukushima and in neighbouring Ibaraki that breached safety limits, although it was claimed this represented no risk to human health. Officials have asked people living near the plant to follow basic safety advice when going outside: drive, don't walk; wear a mask; wear long sleeves; don't go out in the rain.

Radiation levels in Tokyo were also said to be within safe limits. Nevertheless, the city has seen an exodus of tourists, expatriates and many Japanese, who fear a release of radioactive material from Fukushima.

At the nuclear plant, firefighters continued to spray water to cool the dangerously overheated fuel rods in order to keep cores in its reactors from overheating and melting. The UN's atomic agency said that conditions at the plant remained grave but were not deteriorating, following Japan's decision to raise the severity rating of the nuclear crisis from level 4 to level 5 on the seven-level international scale. It put the Fukushima fires on a par with the Three Mile Island accident in Pennsylvania in the US in 1979. The explosion at Chernobyl in 1986 – which sent a plume of radioactive material into the skies 25 years ago – is the only incident to have reached level 7.

Fires and explosions occurred at four of the six reactors at Fukushima last week after the 8.9 Richter earthquake and the ensuing tsunami that hit Japan on 11 March. The earthquake triggered an automatic shutdown of the three reactors that were in operation. The tsunami then damaged diesel generators that were providing back-up power for the pumps driving coolant through these reactors.

As a result, heat could no longer be pumped away and temperatures inside the reactors' cores began to rise, eventually setting off a series of chemical fires. "Hollow rods made of zirconium hold each reactor's uranium fuel pellets in place," said Professor Andrew Sherry, director of the Dalton Nuclear Institute in Manchester. "When temperatures rise too much, that zirconium starts to react with the reactor's water. This chemical reaction raises temperatures even further. Hydrogen is also produced. When this hydrogen exploded, it destroyed the buildings that act as each reactor's outer protective shell."

The explosions also damaged two storage tanks in which fuel rods – still hot because of the radioactive material inside them – were being stored in water. Water levels dropped, exposing fuel rods and triggering further chemical reactions between zirconium fuel cladding and the steam that had begun to build up. These set off fires in storage tanks at reactors three and four.

As a result, plant workers, emergency services personnel and scientists have been battling for the past week to restore the pumping of water to the Fukushima nuclear plant and to prevent a meltdown at one of the reactors. A team of about 300 workers – wearing masks, goggles and protective suits sealed with duct tape and known as the Fukushima 50 because they work in shifts of 50-strong groups – have captured the attention of the Japanese who have taken heart from the toil inside the wrecked atom plant. "My eyes well with tears at the thought of the work they are doing," Kazuya Aoki, a safety official at Japan's Nuclear and Industrial Safety Agency, told Reuters.

Little is known about this band of heroes, except for the few whose relatives have spoken to Japanese media. One woman said that her father, who had worked for an electricity company for 40 years and who was due to retire in September, had volunteered. "I feel it's my mission to help," he told his daughter.

On Wednesday, the government raised the cumulative legal limit of radiation that the Fukushima workers could be exposed to from 100 to 250 millisieverts. That is more than 12 times the annual legal limit for workers dealing with radiation under British law. Each team works as fast as possible for the briefest of periods. The pilots of the helicopters used to "water-bomb" the plant have been restricted to missions lasting less than 40 minutes.

Nevertheless, the workers have not only managed to link a power cable to one of the plant's reactors, No 2, but they have also connected diesel generators to the No 5 and No 6 reactors, which have so far not suffered serious damage. "If they are successful in getting the cooling infrastructure up and running, that will be a significant step forward in establishing stability," said Eric Moore, a nuclear power expert at US-based FocalPoint Consulting Group. However, the government has conceded that it was too slow in dealing with the crisis at Fukushima. Chief cabinet secretary Yukio Edano said that "in hindsight, we could have moved a little quicker in assessing the situation and co-ordinating all that information, and provided it faster".

The fires at Fukushima have also triggered serious criticism of the plant's design. The decision to place storage tanks close to reactors has been pinpointed as a key design error. When those reactors caught fire, they quickly triggered reactions in the storage tanks which themselves caught fire, and so the fires spread.

In addition, the failure to build defences that could withstand the huge tsunami that struck Japan has also been attacked. "The geological evidence in Japan indicates a history of giant tsunamis over the past several thousand years," said Professor Rolf Aalto, an Exeter University expert on tsunamis. "Unfortunately, an engineering and political decision was made to design protection and plan cities around a hypothesised five-metre tsunami – about the size of those experienced in Japan over the last century. However, it was not a surprise to geologists that a tsunami two to three times larger appeared. Both the earthquake and tsunami were exceptional, but were both well within the realm of what can occur within that tectonic setting."

However, Sherry defended the ageing plant – whose six reactors came on line between 1970 and 1979. "These reactors were designed in the 1960s and we have learned a lot since then. Modern plants are much safer. Think of cars in the 1960s: they didn't have crumple zones, airbags or seat belts – features we all take for granted today. It is the same with nuclear reactor design."

The Fukushima reactors, known as boiling water reactors, have active safety features – you have to do something to prevent dangerous heating, such as ensuring that the pumps are activated.

"By contrast, new reactors are designed to include 'passive' safety systems that are designed to shut down and cool fuel without the need for power being available at the plant," said Barry Marsden, professor of nuclear graphite technology at Manchester University. Modern reactors also have double or triple back-up safety systems.

It remains to be seen if such reassurances will have an impact. The sight of explosions erupting from the reactors last week have done nothing for the prospects of the world's nuclear industry. It had been gearing up for a restoration of its fortunes, with governments across the planet turning to the power of the atom as a future energy source – one that does not pose major climate change risks. It now looks like a tarnished option, or at least that is how it will be portrayed by those who oppose an expansion of nuclear plant construction.

"European leaders must take note of the growing nuclear crisis in Japan, and act now," said Patricia Lorenz, nuclear campaigner for Friends of the Earth Europe. "Europe needs a phase-out plan for nuclear, and must open the way for safe solutions to climate change and energy security."

There are signs that this message is getting through. Last week, the German government suspended its approval process for new nuclear construction projects. More significantly, China – the world's leader in nuclear expansion, with 28 plants under construction – followed suit.

Whether these suspensions will last very long is a different matter. Much depends on the success of the Fukushima 50 and their bid to complete a power link between the stricken plant and the outside world. Failure would certainly do little for the reputation of nuclear power.
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