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PostSubject: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:34 am

Party to field 450 fewer candidates than in 2007 as leader Nick Griffin comes under pressure over organisation's finances

http://www.guardian.co.uk/politics/2011/apr/22/bnp-faces-local-election-meltdown

The British National party is facing political meltdown in next month's local elections after a string of defections and growing concern over its finances.

Dozens of prominent BNP figures have either been suspended or have resigned and in the past few weeks several former members have announced they are to stand for rival far-right and nationalist organisations.

The BNP is standing around 250 candidates in next month's elections, compared with approximately 700 in the equivalent polls in 2007.

The turmoil comes as the Electoral Commission announced this week that the party had "failed to comply with the legal requirement to keep adequate financial records" for the second year running, further increasing the pressure on the BNP leader, Nick Griffin, who fought off a leadership challenge last year.

"The position of the party is extremely dire," said Professor Matthew Goodwin, from Nottingham University, an expert on far-right politics. "The defections and rebellions are going strong and we have seen a whole host of key figures leave to join other far-right groups … Nick Griffin is becoming increasingly isolated."

The BNP says it is focusing on the elections to the Welsh assembly, where it claims it could secure two seats, but anti-Griffin rebels say the BNP should be making more progress in England as cuts bite and economic instability increases.

"There is growing anger within the party because there was a period when it looked like Nick Griffin may have been able to force the BNP into the political mainstream," said a spokesman for the anti-racist campaign Hope not Hate. "But it is clear Nick Griffin will himself be the BNP's nemesis. His mismanagement, arrogance and dictatorial leadership have dragged his own party off a political cliff."

The BNP's election prospects took a blow earlier this month when it emerged that around 15 former members, including some key figures such as former Yorkshire organiser Chris Beverley, had defected and are standing for the English Democrats in next month's elections. On his blog Beverley said it had been a "huge decision" and blamed the actions of Griffin and his leadership team for the party's problems.

Goodwin said: "There are just over 200 BNP candidates but there are 390 far-right candidates in total so what we are seeing quite clearly is that the far right is splintering, not just among one or two parties but among a whole host of groups and factions … it is the classic case of far-right parties in the UK shooting themselves in the foot."

Analysts say BNP infighting has allowed other far-right and nationalist groups to come to the fore. Organisations such as the English Defence League, the English Democrats and the British Freedom party are now challenging the BNP, but perhaps its biggest threat is a resurgent UK Independence party, which beat both the Conservatives and Lib Dems to come second in a byelection in Barnsley last month.

"The activists that are frustrated with the incompetence of the BNP are going to the EDL or other rightwing factions and many [former voters] are going to Ukip if they want something more respectable," said Goodwin. "The BNP are being outflanked on all sides."

Opponents say the defections and wider splits mean the party is struggling to stand candidates in some of its core areas.

BNP spokesman Simon Darby dismissed the defections, saying: "People have gone, that is it … but wait and see about that, I think they are going to regret that, just wait and see."

He defended Griffin, insisting he was still a popular leader and that it was "a miracle" the party was still operating following what he said was a relentless campaign to undermine it by the media and the state. "I am just pleased we are still here putting up a campaign in seats we may win … we are still in the game and are looking to regroup after all the dust has settled on this election," he said.

Griffin has come under growing pressure since the BNP's poor showing in last year's general and council elections, when it lost all but two of the 28 councillors up for re-election and was wiped out in its east London stronghold of Barking and Dagenham. It now has 23 councillors, compared with 54 a year ago, and several senior figures, including election co-ordinator Eddie Butler and London assembly member Richard Barnbrook, have come out against Griffin.

The rebels' anger is focused on Griffin's leadership style and concern about the party's debts which were exacerbated this week when the Electoral Commission said the BNP had failed to keep adequate financial records for the second year running.

"We have sought an urgent meeting with the party to discuss the steps they need to take to comply with the law," said a spokesman for the commission.

The party is reportedly £500,000 in debt although Darby said that the figure was "coming down".

"We are making good progress on that, that debt will be serviced," he added.

Although a poor showing in next month's elections would increase the pressure on Griffin to stand down, Goodwin said that remains unlikely.

"Griffin will hang on because the BNP constitution means it is almost impossible to oust him... [He] is doing the party in, it is not connecting with voters, they are running out of money but he is not going to go anywhere... they truly are a fading star and it is almost entirely because of Griffin's incompetence."


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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 12:56 pm

"The BNP says it is focusing on the elections to the Welsh assembly, where it claims it could secure two seats, but anti-Griffin rebels say the BNP should be making more progress in England as cuts bite and economic instability increases."

I wonder why a certain person who lives in the land of Daffs is suddenly pushing the BNP views out?



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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 1:00 pm

BarnesNBeardsley wrote:
"The BNP says it is focusing on the elections to the Welsh assembly, where it claims it could secure two seats, but anti-Griffin rebels say the BNP should be making more progress in England as cuts bite and economic instability increases."

I wonder why a certain person who lives in the land of Daffs is suddenly pushing the BNP views out?





To inflame and get more hits on the site probably, I doubt there's any other reason tbh.

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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 8:31 pm

bloody hell BNB, youre a good lad, but Im feeling like I have a stalker. Ive allready said I wouldnt vote for the BNP as they dont have the infrastructure or the right people to actually fulfill any of their policies. I do stand by the fact though that I agree with many of their policies on paper as I think you also do. Do you feel its right though that every way they turn, they are harassed by the media, police and governments. If they were such a bunch of imbeciles wouldnt it be better to let people hear the garbage they are coming out with and let them discredit themselves rather than censoring them?
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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:14 pm

steelaway wrote:
bloody hell BNB, youre a good lad, but Im feeling like I have a stalker. Ive allready said I wouldnt vote for the BNP as they dont have the infrastructure or the right people to actually fulfill any of their policies. I do stand by the fact though that I agree with many of their policies on paper as I think you also do. Do you feel its right though that every way they turn, they are harassed by the media, police and governments. If they were such a bunch of imbeciles wouldnt it be better to let people hear the garbage they are coming out with and let them discredit themselves rather than censoring them?


Something you still fail to see only because you must have Pig shit stupid disease where they are concerned, is that you were willing to represent a party that is inherently racist. You have chosen to ignore so much what they have done and concealed because it fits your agenda.

Why would anyone with a semblence of intelligence represent that party. I still can't think why an itelligent bloke like yourself would want to represent such racists. You cannot just talk about policies when they have such strong racist views, unless you agree with them and are too much of a coward to be truthful.

You cannot divirce their policies from their true nature. Which is what you have tried to do from the beggining. To me it is sickening that you are continuing to back these racists.

You saying let them have their say, then we may as well let the fucking lunatic islamics have their say too. Who wants to hear either of them? Send them all to a desert island and let them finish each other off.




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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sat Apr 23, 2011 10:58 pm

BarnesNBeardsley wrote:
steelaway wrote:
bloody hell BNB, youre a good lad, but Im feeling like I have a stalker. Ive allready said I wouldnt vote for the BNP as they dont have the infrastructure or the right people to actually fulfill any of their policies. I do stand by the fact though that I agree with many of their policies on paper as I think you also do. Do you feel its right though that every way they turn, they are harassed by the media, police and governments. If they were such a bunch of imbeciles wouldnt it be better to let people hear the garbage they are coming out with and let them discredit themselves rather than censoring them?


Something you still fail to see only because you must have Pig shit stupid disease where they are concerned, is that you were willing to represent a party that is inherently racist. You have chosen to ignore so much what they have done and concealed because it fits your agenda.

Why would anyone with a semblence of intelligence represent that party. I still can't think why an itelligent bloke like yourself would want to represent such racists. You cannot just talk about policies when they have such strong racist views, unless you agree with them and are too much of a coward to be truthful.

You cannot divirce their policies from their true nature. Which is what you have tried to do from the beggining. To me it is sickening that you are continuing to back these racists.

You saying let them have their say, then we may as well let the fucking lunatic islamics have their say too. Who wants to hear either of them? Send them all to a desert island and let them finish each other off.






id settle for that if only it was that simple.
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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 9:51 am

In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin.

Plod is in a dilema of its own making and rather than crack down on foreigners who fuck about with our laws and culture, they openly go for the softer option and attempt to curry favour to be seen as impartial. If you have any connection with your national flag or display of patriotism in any sense of deliberate public display then you're on their radar. Same too for some Councils.
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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:21 am

Redguard wrote:
In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin.

Plod is in a dilema of its own making and rather than crack down on foreigners who fuck about with our laws and culture, they openly go for the softer option and attempt to curry favour to be seen as impartial. If you have any connection with your national flag or display of patriotism in any sense of deliberate public display then you're on their radar. Same too for some Councils.


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person complain to the council about a flag, decry patriotism or "fuck about with our laws or culture"? Honestly, were do you get your information from that this happens? If you don't read the daily mail, daily star or some other ridiculous right wing paper its impossible to have such an opinion- because it doesn't exist.

Most of these stories, that somehow appear on a weekly basis, yet I've never seen anything like it ever, are fictional, the creation of the right-wing propaganda machine to drum up support for their neo nazi agenda of ethnically cleansing this country.

It is this type of attitude that makes me most ashamed of this country and its people, nothing to do with multi-culturalism! What I strongly resent is that "Britishness" and use of the English flag is being hijacked by Nazi's who claim to represent Britishness of a pure kind. Bollocks! The Britishness that I believe in has nothing to do with this offensive crap.
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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:37 am

Redguard wrote:
In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin.

Plod is in a dilema of its own making and rather than crack down on foreigners who fuck about with our laws and culture, they openly go for the softer option and attempt to curry favour to be seen as impartial. If you have any connection with your national flag or display of patriotism in any sense of deliberate public display then you're on their radar. Same too for some Councils.


A slight exaggeration surely, that sounds like far right propaganda to me.What is it with this forum and all
this extremist opinion that is surfacing lateley?

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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 10:47 am

Aldo wrote:
Redguard wrote:
In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin.

Plod is in a dilema of its own making and rather than crack down on foreigners who fuck about with our laws and culture, they openly go for the softer option and attempt to curry favour to be seen as impartial. If you have any connection with your national flag or display of patriotism in any sense of deliberate public display then you're on their radar. Same too for some Councils.


A slight exaggeration surely, that sounds like far right propaganda to me.What is it with this forum and all
this extremist opinion that is surfacing lateley?



I completely agree. To say I am shocked is an understatement.

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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:00 am

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Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person complain to the council about a flag


No and I obviously didn't suggest or say that either. I don't doubt that it has happened, but mostly it is over-sensitivity by the council. Take Liverpool as an example - during the World Cup the Council went around tearing down English Flags in case they upset foreigners. You know that!

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person decry patriotism?


Yes many times and presumably so have you unless you don't recognise who you are and what country you are in.

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person "fuck about with our laws or culture"?


Yes .... see above.

I suggest you calm down, stop intimating which paper you think I might read and try to do some basic research.



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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:01 am

BarnesNBeardsley wrote:
Aldo wrote:
Redguard wrote:
In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin.

Plod is in a dilema of its own making and rather than crack down on foreigners who fuck about with our laws and culture, they openly go for the softer option and attempt to curry favour to be seen as impartial. If you have any connection with your national flag or display of patriotism in any sense of deliberate public display then you're on their radar. Same too for some Councils.


A slight exaggeration surely, that sounds like far right propaganda to me.What is it with this forum and all
this extremist opinion that is surfacing lateley?



I completely agree. To say I am shocked is an understatement.



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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:12 am

Ok, let me really emphasise what I said, (for the avoidance of any confusion by some pin heads) ............

"In my book any party that allows uncontrolled mass immigration is overtly racist against the indigenous people, whether they happen to be White Anglo Saxon, Black, Asian, Chinese, etc., in origin. This country is just one bloody big dustbin."

So, in order to protect the indigenous population i.e. whether we are White Anglo Saxon, black, Asian, Chinese in origin etc., I firmly belive that we need to control mass uncontrolled immigration. Many Asians have said so and others who have come to our small island. The Labour Party (Milliband) have stated this to be their belief and so has Cameron for the Coalition. So have many european Governments. I happen to believe that we are now one big dustbin.

What the fuck is wrong with you lot?



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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:14 am

Redguard wrote:
L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person complain to the council about a flag


No and I obviously didn't suggest or say that either. I don't doubt that it has happened, but mostly it is over-sensitivity by the council. Take Liverpool as an example - during the World Cup the Council went around tearing down English Flags in case they upset foreigners. You know that!

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person decry patriotism?


Yes many times and presumably so have you unless you don't recognise who you are and what country you are in.

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person "fuck about with our laws or culture"?


Yes .... see above.

I suggest you calm down, stop intimating which paper you think I might read and try to do some basic research.



You are on your own propaganda mission here. I have seen nothing that you claim has happened and I know of nothing that you claim to have happened in Liverpool. As for saying, no I haven't seen something but I don't doubt that it has happened- what kind of argument is this? Your whole point was that our country is allegedly over run with sentiment of destroying British culture and national identity, and that it is intent on persecuting Britishness as you put it. Well if this was true, surely you wouldn't be able to go a day without seeing it personally. Why have I never experienced it or anyone else? What's all this stuff about a royal wedding going on- why hasn't that been stopped or national anthems before international games or minutes silences in November- all this marching round the cenotaph- why hasn't that come under attack? Go on, fly a flag from your house and see if the council turn up asking you to take it down.

As for calming down, my quote is exactly what you put in your original post, so respectfully, it is you who needs to calm down. Check your post above for proof.
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PostSubject: Re: BNP faces meltdown at local polls after defections and infighting   Sun Apr 24, 2011 11:16 am

L_12 wrote:
Redguard wrote:
L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person complain to the council about a flag


No and I obviously didn't suggest or say that either. I don't doubt that it has happened, but mostly it is over-sensitivity by the council. Take Liverpool as an example - during the World Cup the Council went around tearing down English Flags in case they upset foreigners. You know that!

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person decry patriotism?


Yes many times and presumably so have you unless you don't recognise who you are and what country you are in.

L_12 wrote:


Have you ever personally witnessed any non-"idigenous" person "fuck about with our laws or culture"?


Yes .... see above.

I suggest you calm down, stop intimating which paper you think I might read and try to do some basic research.



You are on your own propaganda mission here. I have seen nothing that you claim has happened and I know of nothing that you claim to have happened in Liverpool. As for saying, no I haven't seen something but I don't doubt that it has happened- what kind of argument is this? Your whole point was that our country is allegedly over run with sentiment of destroying British culture and national identity, and that it is intent on persecuting Britishness as you put it. Well if this was true, surely you wouldn't be able to go a day without seeing it personally. Why have I never experienced it or anyone else? What's all this stuff about a royal wedding going on- why hasn't that been stopped or national anthems before international games or minutes silences in November- all this marching round the cenotaph- why hasn't that come under attack? Go on, fly a flag from your house and see if the council turn up asking you to take it down.

As for calming down, my quote is exactly what you put in your original post, so respectfully, it is you who needs to calm down. Check your post above for proof.


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