British workers are lazy

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.....................and unwilling to go the extra mile, says Indian billionaire steel chief as he axes 1,500 jobs from UK factories

About the redundancies at Tata, wont bore you with the whole story, but will put in a paragraph i agree with. Obviously generalising;

In an interview, Mr Tata said: 'It's a work ethic issue. In my experience, in both Corus and JLR, nobody is willing to go the extra mile, nobody.'

He told The Times that he had found staff unwilling to participate in meetings after 5pm if they had a train to catch home, even if he had flown in from India.

And he said it was impossible to get hold of workers from either firm at the weekends, starting from 3.30pm on Friday.

He added that in India, 'if you are in a crisis, if it means working to midnight, you would do it.'

I do think that a lot of british workers are lazy cunts that have absoltely no idea what it takes to actually build something and how much effort it takes. They are so quick to blame people who actually make an effort and slag them over taxes and salaries etc, whilst not being arsed to do anything extraordinary themselves.

On a seperate not, I took on the best worker Ive ever had about a month ago. I go into work and am actively amazed every day. He's had a pay rise after a couple of weeks he's that good. Shows its not all bad. His dad has always had a company and he went to private school. His parents are extremely religious as well (christians) I personally think he's been bought up with the ethos of working hard and it really shows. Compare that to some of the lazy oinks Ive been interviewing, do you think background has a bearing on ability and or effort??

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steelaway wrote:

On a seperate not, I took on the best worker Ive ever had about a month ago. I go into work and am actively amazed every day. He's had a pay rise after a couple of weeks he's that good. Shows its not all bad. His dad has always had a company and he went to private school. His parents are extremely religious as well (christians) I personally think he's been bought up with the ethos of working hard and it really shows. Compare that to some of the lazy oinks Ive been interviewing, do you think background has a bearing on ability and or effort??

Easy Steels, he'll be on 45 quid a week come July at that rate!

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I had a bust up with one of the lads who works for me, over subs he couldn't remember taking.

Sometimes they think you're a fucking bank, giving subs out left right n centre.

He pointed out to me that I get money every day, so he should.

I had to point out to him that I've spent 16 years building my business up, doing zillions of hours a week, and ploughing my money back into it. He expects the same thing after working for me for 2 years.

I wouldn't mind, but I think he's on good money for his age. (20)

After tax & insurance, he comes out with about £275 a week.

He only works Monday-Friday, 9-3.45, with an hour for lunch.

Gives his mum £30 a week, leaves him £245 a week pocket money, yet he's on my case like I'm the bad guy cos i earn more & do less than him!

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sat May 21, 2011 10:08 pm

steelaway wrote:

In an interview, Mr Tata said: 'It's a work ethic issue. In my experience, in both Corus and JLR, nobody is willing to go the extra mile, nobody.'

He told The Times that he had found staff unwilling to participate in meetings after 5pm if they had a train to catch home, even if he had flown in from India.

And he said it was impossible to get hold of workers from either firm at the weekends, starting from 3.30pm on Friday.

Is he talking about managerial or shop floor?? Probably shop floor coz managerial don't get called workers or staff.
So why should they go the extra mile? Why should they stay after 5pm when they have a family to go home to? Why should they be available at weekends when they have another life outside of work?
If they'd wanted all the inconvenience and stress then they'd have started their own company.
The majority of workers do their job, do it to the best of their ability, then just want to go home.
After hours meetings are inconvenient........when you don't own the company.

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Maggie May wrote:

steelaway wrote:

In an interview, Mr Tata said: 'It's a work ethic issue. In my experience, in both Corus and JLR, nobody is willing to go the extra mile, nobody.'

He told The Times that he had found staff unwilling to participate in meetings after 5pm if they had a train to catch home, even if he had flown in from India.

And he said it was impossible to get hold of workers from either firm at the weekends, starting from 3.30pm on Friday.

Is he talking about managerial or shop floor?? Probably shop floor coz managerial don't get called workers or staff.
So why should they go the extra mile? Why should they stay after 5pm when they have a family to go home to? Why should they be available at weekends when they have another life outside of work?
If they'd wanted all the inconvenience and stress then they'd have started their own company.
The majority of workers do their job, do it to the best of their ability, then just want to go home.
After hours meetings are inconvenient........when you don't own the company.

I doubt that the Indian billionaire is talking about people on the shop floor as he and his managerial team probably never talk to the "workers".

I agree with the rest of your post. My team never stay past five and I've never asked them to. If I need more work done I hire more people and they respect that.

It has the fantastic self-rectifying quality that the employees "fire" slackers. In at 8.30 and out by 5.00. Anyone who doesn't pull their weight to make this happen is let go. It's great for me, no employee reviews!

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Maggie May wrote:

steelaway wrote:

In an interview, Mr Tata said: 'It's a work ethic issue. In my experience, in both Corus and JLR, nobody is willing to go the extra mile, nobody.'

He told The Times that he had found staff unwilling to participate in meetings after 5pm if they had a train to catch home, even if he had flown in from India.

And he said it was impossible to get hold of workers from either firm at the weekends, starting from 3.30pm on Friday.

Is he talking about managerial or shop floor?? Probably shop floor coz managerial don't get called workers or staff.
So why should they go the extra mile? Why should they stay after 5pm when they have a family to go home to? Why should they be available at weekends when they have another life outside of work?
If they'd wanted all the inconvenience and stress then they'd have started their own company.
The majority of workers do their job, do it to the best of their ability, then just want to go home.
After hours meetings are inconvenient........when you don't own the company.

so maybe they can get a promotion and give their families a better life, or maybe because they are happy to help the company they work for. I take your points maggie, totally disagree with them and cant imagine ever feeling like that myself.

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sat May 21, 2011 11:05 pm

steelaway wrote:

so maybe they can get a promotion and give their families a better life, or maybe because they are happy to help the company they work for. I take your points maggie, totally disagree with them and cant imagine ever feeling like that myself.

That's up to you Steely. You are a boss, I have a boss. I go home at home time coz staying any later won't get me any points but it will get be behind with what I have to do........looking after me lads! My lads, not my work, are my life.

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Maggie May wrote:

steelaway wrote:

so maybe they can get a promotion and give their families a better life, or maybe because they are happy to help the company they work for. I take your points maggie, totally disagree with them and cant imagine ever feeling like that myself.

That's up to you Steely. You are a boss, I have a boss. I go home at home time coz staying any later won't get me any points but it will get be behind with what I have to do........looking after me lads! My lads, not my work, are my life.

same as my girls are my life maggie. just think that the effort i put in now will help them more when they need it. they also do loads of nice stuff a lot of people cant afford, having ponies etc.

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sat May 21, 2011 11:32 pm

steelaway wrote:

same as my girls are my life maggie. just think that the effort i put in now will help them more when they need it. they also do loads of nice stuff a lot of people cant afford, having ponies etc.

Yeah, lucky you ay! My lads don't have ponies, should I slash my wrists! My lads are big boys now and are doing very well in life. They had lots of fun in childhood, no ponies tho!!!! But we couldn't afford ponies. And do you know, I've never heard one of them mention that their life would have been more fulfilled if they'd had a pony!
Money and ponies are not really everything. You think they are coz you have your own business. I've spent my whole life 'putting in' but someone else, my boss, has taken the stress. That suits me!
I go home at home time and see to my family, my boss does his own thing at work. I still get me annual pay rise.

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sat May 21, 2011 11:44 pm

The following was mooted several years ago.

In theory or reality, depending upon your point of view, the average British worker has less Bank Holidays, works longer hours, works more weekends and has less holiday entitlement than our European counterparts. It is also said that they are more lazy and less counter productive.

In comparison I've noticed that some European workers have a bloody easy ride whereas some are hard working. Compare the Italians for example to the French or Germans. Look to Spain where 'manana manana' was an idle throw-away explanation for slack work practice and yet the Spanish and Italians seem to have overtaken us in industry, particularly shipbuilding.

An explanation has been offered that the British worker works too many hours; they become less motivated whereas those who work fewer hours, as on the Continent, work harder to generate money to spend on their generous relaxation and holiday entitlement.

Having said that there are extremes. It's no coincidence that the British have just about discovered or invented every major development on the planet and were reknowned as 'the workshop of the world.' 80% of current technology in Formula One racing is still generated by the British who work long hours and are at the forefront of development. Sadly this is no longer typical and for the average worker the incentives remain poor. We are overtaxed and during the latter years many have seen their pensions raided by an extravagant Government. The desire to aspire for many no longer remains because we are predominantly a service industry where bean-counting and shop window-dressing has become the norm. Life for many is uninspiring and downright dull. So from one extreme to the other we have those who strive to be the best in terms of achievement and those who through apathy and ignorance become idle, unco-operative, disloyal and self-centred.

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Maggie May wrote:

steelaway wrote:

same as my girls are my life maggie. just think that the effort i put in now will help them more when they need it. they also do loads of nice stuff a lot of people cant afford, having ponies etc.

Yeah, lucky you ay! My lads don't have ponies, should I slash my wrists! My lads are big boys now and are doing very well in life. They had lots of fun in childhood, no ponies tho!!!! But we couldn't afford ponies. And do you know, I've never heard one of them mention that their life would have been more fulfilled if they'd had a pony!
Money and ponies are not really everything. You think they are coz you have your own business. I've spent my whole life 'putting in' but someone else, my boss, has taken the stress. That suits me!
I go home at home time and see to my family, my boss does his own thing at work. I still get me annual pay rise.

as long as youre happy in your own skin, thats all thats important. Do hate the people though that bitch about what others do when the only difference is a state of mind.

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Redguard wrote:

The following was mooted several years ago.

In theory or reality, depending upon your point of view, the average British worker has less Bank Holidays, works longer hours, works more weekends and has less holiday entitlement than our European counterparts. It is also said that they are more lazy and less counter productive.

In comparison I've noticed that some European workers have a bloody easy ride whereas some are hard working. Compare the Italians for example to the French or Germans. Look to Spain where 'manana manana' was an idle throw-away explanation for slack work practice and yet the Spanish and Italians seem to have overtaken us in industry, particularly shipbuilding.

An explanation has been offered that the British worker works too many hours; they become less motivated whereas those who work fewer hours, as on the Continent, work harder to generate money to spend on their generous relaxation and holiday entitlement.

Having said that there are extremes. It's no coincidence that the British have just about discovered or invented every major development on the planet and were reknowned as 'the workshop of the world.' 80% of current technology in Formula One racing is still generated by the British who work long hours and are at the forefront of development. Sadly this is no longer typical and for the average worker the incentives remain poor. We are overtaxed and during the latter years many have seen their pensions raided by an extravagant Government. The desire to aspire for many no longer remains because we are predominantly a service industry where bean-counting and shop window-dressing has become the norm. Life for many is uninspiring and downright dull. So from one extreme to the other we have those who strive to be the best in terms of achievement and those who through apathy and ignorance become idle, unco-operative, disloyal and self-centred.

Some good points. We live, if anyone was under any illusion, in a class society. But not just a class society, we have a class society in which those that are wealthy are allowed an opinion on matters of economy and those that are poor are made to feel ashamed if they dare to not to share it, fulfill it or disagree with it.

If your waiting for the slaughter of New Labour, well here it comes. It is a travesty that British workers are being labelled lazy. Labour used to stand up for people and fight for better working conditions. Now they've totally deserted them when they need them most, although New Labour are happy to keep taking the funding offered by trade unions. It amazes me how these Labour people kick up a fuss about some nonsense, off the cuff, out of context, rape remark by Ken Clarke and give it enormous press coverage, yet they allow wealthy people to peddle this much bigger crime of propaganda that British workers are lazy. Workers are seen as radicals now if they disagree or defy the instructions of their bosses, for which they won't be paid, they mustn't be valuing their jobs enough, they're ignorant of the economic situation of our country and they're not interested in our country generating wealth. They're almost unpatriotic for refusing to bend over backwards. If we allow workers to become like slaves at the beckon calls of their bosses, whenever they choose, then working conditions for all will be undermined.

Its amazing that this fraud Miliband gets up in Hyde Park to address the trade unionists protesting against cuts, yet champions this Blue Labour agenda. Why can't the British electorate see through them? Why do people still pay to be members of the Blue Labour party? Why do they keep going out to vote for them?

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sun May 22, 2011 10:22 am

Maggie May wrote:

steelaway wrote:

same as my girls are my life maggie. just think that the effort i put in now will help them more when they need it. they also do loads of nice stuff a lot of people cant afford, having ponies etc.

Yeah, lucky you ay! My lads don't have ponies, should I slash my wrists! My lads are big boys now and are doing very well in life. They had lots of fun in childhood, no ponies tho!!!! But we couldn't afford ponies. And do you know, I've never heard one of them mention that their life would have been more fulfilled if they'd had a pony!
Money and ponies are not really everything. You think they are coz you have your own business. I've spent my whole life 'putting in' but someone else, my boss, has taken the stress. That suits me!
I go home at home time and see to my family, my boss does his own thing at work. I still get me annual pay rise.

Can see the points from both sides here! If steelys worked all the hours god send and built up a business then he and anyone else deserves to treat their kids as they want! I work hard do extra hours ok not exactly buy a pony but when I get paid I'll go out and buy my son one of his favourite toys (ie a transformer) and I'll take my missus out for a nice meal or I'll buy her a dress or item of clothing she wants! It's whatever they like basically! My missus has always wanted to swim with dolphins and that's my aim for her in the near future in the mean time I done what I could afford for now and adopted one for her which she was made up with! Steelys worked hard and has the £ so why not treat his daughter to a pony?

Also Maggie May think the reply was a bit harsh aimed at Steely he has worked hard and deserves to do what he has done! But I defo also agree with what you say! Going home and spending quality time with your family is one of the most important aspects of life! My ex partner works all the hours godsend each night of the week a different family member is picking him up from school (inc myself) and when he has his weekend with his mum he's dragged round doing the shopping etc! Ok good on her she's a good hard working mum and gives him everything he wants but now my sons getting older he's starting to complain that she doesn't do anything with him and starting to say he doesn't want to go back when I have him! OK yes I'm back in work now and I do all the overtime I can BUT I draw the line on the times I have him and I'll only work my shift hours to make sure I have sufficient time to spend with him.

Subject: Re: British workers are lazy Sun May 22, 2011 11:31 am

If I had the brass I'd get the latest pony version; the Obama / Seal Team Six MK I and whupp ass.

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The "British" work the second longest hours on average in the developed world. The USA is No1.

This slur has been perpetrated before, particularly over the last sixty years, often by British press, the mouthpiece of our Politicians as they looked to lay the blame for the very poor management of our postwar manufacturing industry - which of course was down to the Politicians and the establishment themselves.

Now we apparently have Indian billionaires resorting to the same stereotyping.

I wonder how it would go down if an English Billionaire [God forbid] stated the same racialist stereotyping concerning Indian workers per se?

IMHO the chap in question is using any excuse to retreat to a cheaper work force [i.e. unprotected Labour] a workforce that can be better exploited which of course is how you in the main, create Billionaires anyway..